tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972661907029038524.post6375167062035327676..comments2023-10-19T05:34:26.911-06:00Comments on Serendipity: Take it or leave itSarahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08765524620705643823noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972661907029038524.post-53537759329129952232010-08-09T19:04:20.002-06:002010-08-09T19:04:20.002-06:00Amen. That's all I'm sayin'. Amen.Amen. That's all I'm sayin'. Amen.lanabananahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09034195249065989206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972661907029038524.post-6159510140874348872010-08-08T07:38:05.029-06:002010-08-08T07:38:05.029-06:00Sarah - You are incredible. It is a mark of your i...Sarah - You are incredible. It is a mark of your incredible generosity of heart, that in this time of heartbreak and pain, you are reaching out to and comforting and thinking of others. Please know, my heart and my prayers go out to you, and Scott, and the kids.<br /><br />I agree -- to understand that we need more light and knowledge on this issue (who can disagree that we do?!) is not to say that our leaders are deceived. I also appreciate your insight that it is not always "the Lord's timetable" that causes delays. Sometimes it is our own hardness of heart that the Lord has to work around.<br /><br />I am so grateful for your soft and generous heart.John Gustav-Wrathallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03557940681381951271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972661907029038524.post-90091250081115316662010-08-07T21:42:57.895-06:002010-08-07T21:42:57.895-06:00Sarah,
I have heard this comment many times, or a...Sarah,<br /><br />I have heard this comment many times, or at lest one close to it about the timing of Declaration 2. I don't know, but if this is true and the only thing God is waiting for is for us all to be ready should we not be doing everything in our power to prepare the way of the Lord? Should we not be doing everything we can think of to end the suffering of our gay brothers and sisters. Yes Prop 8 may be Gods way of speeding up the acceptance of all of God's children in this country, but it still pisses me off to know the brethren do not seem to lift a finger to end the homophobia that excites in every unit of the church I have attended that they say they do not agree with yet they can mobilize the membership of the church to raise millions to promote flagrant fiction to pass a law that hurts families. It still pisses me off to know that the church I love seems to not care that their polices do nothing but encourage the high rate of suicide among our gay brothers and sisters. I am not even talking about the undefended prohibition on gay sex. There are are so many other policies that would not change their stand on gay sex that would have a huge effect on the misery that is inflicted upon the gay brothers and sisters of the church. Sarah, how do you turn the other cheek?gailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11812337885775588481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972661907029038524.post-18370665589813829132010-08-07T06:46:55.865-06:002010-08-07T06:46:55.865-06:00@keaton: very interesting thoughts. Thanks. God al...@keaton: very interesting thoughts. Thanks. God allows his children their agency, and does not force revelation on the leaders. They must ask and be ready for the answer. I'm not sure how to put my thoughts into words. I believe God would rejoice to have certain parts of his plan revealed sooner than later. I'm sure it is hard for him to watch the consequences as he waits patiently for the leaders to ask and be willing to accept His word on the matter.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08765524620705643823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972661907029038524.post-73843253990235397602010-08-07T06:28:01.746-06:002010-08-07T06:28:01.746-06:00Hi Sarah,
I think Black members of the church are...Hi Sarah,<br /><br />I think Black members of the church are insulted when they hear that the reason they were denied the priesthood was because the Church membership was not ready to accept it. Joseph Smith personally gave Blacks the priesthood. We know of 7 blacks who were ordained in the early church. This was nothing more than a prejudice of Brigham Young and perhaps his time. That doesn't excuse it. Was this part of Gods plan. No!! This was pure and simple prejudice which withheld blessings for generations of worthy black members not to mention those who did not join the church because of our nonanswer of prejudice. Someone needed to correct a mistake and take the issue to the Lord. That simple. Brigham was a man of his time but should have been above the fray. The gay issue is exactly the same. Think through the generations of church membership how many must of suffered being alone in church activity or falling away because of the exclusion. Think of the unspoken difficult marriages that endured the unspoken broken intimacy. Now that we are a more open society we see in living color what happens to a group who don't fit the gospel plan by way of exclusion. Again the Lord must wait for someone to have the courage to take this to him. Until then the denial of love and blessings will continue. Silent suffering and suicide will continue. Prejudice will continue to be an underlying character of some church members. Family is family and is always a blessing when bonded by love. To deny one the right to that bond of companionship is morally wrong. I just listened to an LDS former high command general who was over interegation in the Army. He said that fear is never a productive method of gaining information. Bonding is the method that always worked. He unfortuately retired pre-Bush years. He also sadly indicated that of the 10 men who developed the torture Bush stategy...4 of the 10 were active LDS members. We have a ways to go before we are the Lords Church. Love not fear, inclusion not exclusion, freedom of expression not repression....blessings to Sarah.Keatonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08346931656530258800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972661907029038524.post-72743515780335732792010-08-07T06:22:44.761-06:002010-08-07T06:22:44.761-06:00@this blog author: loved your comment. Thanks.
@d...@this blog author: loved your comment. Thanks.<br /><br />@dani: already knew you were on the same page with me. Thank you for your encouragement. I send all the same messages back to you. Take care!<br /><br />@Rob: I know, right? :)<br /><br />@Scott: thanks for sharing that article. Very interesting. As I read it I couldn't help but hear certain Mormons that I know deny the blame or accusation that they are un-Christlike, but instead see it as evidence of the scary world we live in and satan's influence. Very interesting to recognize how the adversary is affecting the world from within the churches. Perilous times indeed.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08765524620705643823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972661907029038524.post-89423686982754575702010-08-06T22:54:16.989-06:002010-08-06T22:54:16.989-06:00I read this article in the Tribune and thought of ...I read this article in the Tribune and thought of all of us LDS gays. <br /><br />http://sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/50045886-82/faith-anti-christian-refuse.html.csp<br /><br />And a quote: “In the name of Christ,” Anne Rice wrote, “I refuse to be anti-gay. I refuse to be anti-feminist. I refuse to be anti-artificial birth control. I refuse to be anti-Democrat. I refuse to be anti-secular humanism. I refuse to be anti-science. I refuse to be anti-life.”BigRedHammerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09525232250776614478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972661907029038524.post-37329819584894315082010-08-06T19:10:45.541-06:002010-08-06T19:10:45.541-06:00Sarah, you are such an inspiration to me. You are...Sarah, you are such an inspiration to me. You are an amazing mother, wife, and Daughter of God. This Mormon friend doesn't think you've gone off the deep end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972661907029038524.post-26130629866652119822010-08-06T18:34:44.075-06:002010-08-06T18:34:44.075-06:00See, told ya. Joan of Arc rides again.See, told ya. Joan of Arc rides again.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02992194211469009236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972661907029038524.post-49051971856350926402010-08-06T13:10:42.769-06:002010-08-06T13:10:42.769-06:00Jeff and AJ, I totally agree. I've thought and...Jeff and AJ, I totally agree. I've thought and said that before, but when I do, my Mormon friends think I am completely off the deep end. :)Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08765524620705643823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972661907029038524.post-6742161305742490402010-08-06T11:55:18.992-06:002010-08-06T11:55:18.992-06:00Sarah - I have to "ditto" your comments ...Sarah - I have to "ditto" your comments as well. Thank you for stating it so well.<br /><br />And to AJ...<br />I also noted the irony --- The LDS Church's efforts in California have now proven instrumental in sending marriage equality to the US Supreme Court. And though it will likely take a few years, marriage equality will happen and the church will have been instrumental.<br /><br />So maybe you are right... maybe Prop 8 was all part of God's plan.Jeff in Coloradonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972661907029038524.post-24550283194051371212010-08-06T11:06:26.095-06:002010-08-06T11:06:26.095-06:00I think that because of Prop 8 gay marriage will g...I think that because of Prop 8 gay marriage will got to the supreme court and become legal in every state. Maybe that is part of god's plan and by fighting gay marriage the church actually helped society come closer to accepting gays and lesbians or maybe I've had one too many beers. -A.J.A.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13798297081032559012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972661907029038524.post-85124351638157530732010-08-06T08:27:52.376-06:002010-08-06T08:27:52.376-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972661907029038524.post-40493040609633930142010-08-06T07:33:57.061-06:002010-08-06T07:33:57.061-06:00Thanks. Knowing you agree makes me feel less crazy...Thanks. Knowing you agree makes me feel less crazy because I have lot of respect for your opinion. Of course you and I have both been given similar circumstances that have brought us to this conclusion, circumstances that I wouldn't wish on anyone! Good luck to you and Chris. I hope you can both remain happy with the path you are on.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08765524620705643823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972661907029038524.post-39293775462284062942010-08-06T07:14:52.795-06:002010-08-06T07:14:52.795-06:00I think I'll just say ditto. That's prett...I think I'll just say ditto. That's pretty much how I feel.The Wifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13838501933573749880noreply@blogger.com